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Q1-2025 Earnings Call
AI Summary
Earnings Call on May 1, 2025
Strong Profit Growth: Net income more than doubled to $140 million in Q1 2025 from $61 million a year ago, with EBITDA rising to $126 million and EBITDA margin improving to 41%.
CapEx and Project Updates: Total Q1 CapEx was $36 million, mainly for San Gabriel, whose full-year CapEx guidance was increased to $220–250 million. Full-year company CapEx guidance is now $400–420 million, up from prior $330–355 million.
San Gabriel Progress: The San Gabriel project reached 79% completion, remains on schedule for first gold bar in Q4 2025, though ramp-up is subject to permit approvals. Total project CapEx now expected between $720–750 million due to unforeseen site conditions.
Production Trends: Silver output rose 20% to 3.7 million ounces, gold production fell to 27,918 ounces, and copper production dropped 21% year-over-year.
Cost Performance: All-in sustaining cost fell 83% year-over-year, mainly due to lower deductions and higher byproduct credits. Admin expenses rose due to profit-linked employee participation.
Reserve Growth: Significant increases in gold, silver, and copper reserves were reported at year-end 2024.
Operational Transition: Updates on moving to owner-operated fleets at several mines, aiming for cost savings and operational continuity.
The company delivered a strong financial performance in Q1 2025, with EBITDA rising to $126 million (up from $95 million a year ago) and an improved EBITDA margin of 41% versus 38%. Net income more than doubled to $140 million. The improvement was largely attributed to strong operational results, higher silver output, and improved cost management.
San Gabriel reached 79% overall completion, with major engineering and construction milestones achieved. CapEx guidance for the project was raised to $220–250 million for 2025 and total project CapEx is now expected at $720–750 million due to site-specific geotechnical and hydrological issues that required additional work. Despite these overruns, the project remains on track for first gold production in Q4 2025, pending timely permit approvals.
Total CapEx for Q1 was $36 million, mainly allocated to San Gabriel. Full-year 2025 CapEx guidance for Buenaventura was increased to $400–420 million, up from the previously expected $330–355 million, reflecting the additional investment required for San Gabriel. More than $80 million in CapEx had already been spent by the end of Q1.
Silver production increased 20% year-over-year to 3.7 million ounces, buoyed by ramp-up at Yumpag. Gold production declined to 27,918 ounces (from 36,593) due to lower grades and output at Tambomayo and Orcopampa, partially offset by increased output at La Zanja. Copper production fell 21% reflecting lower inventories at El Brocal.
All-in sustaining cost dropped 83% compared to Q1 last year, mainly due to lower commercial deductions and higher byproduct credits. However, cash costs for copper, silver, and gold increased, driven by lower byproduct credits and lower grades. Administrative expenses were higher due to increased employee profit-sharing tied to improved results.
Year-end 2024 saw substantial reserve growth: gold reserves grew by 482,000 ounces, silver reserves by 61 million ounces, and copper reserves by 253,000 tonnes. Exploration spending for 2025 is forecast at $40–45 million for operating units and $20 million for nonoperating areas, supporting ongoing resource conversion and growth.
Buenaventura is transitioning Uchucchacua, Yumpag, and El Brocal to owner-operated underground fleets, with new equipment from Sandvik scheduled for delivery in late 2025 and early 2026. The move is expected to reduce costs and improve operational consistency as rental equipment is phased out.
The on-schedule start of San Gabriel’s production is contingent on timely receipt of final operating permits following construction completion. At Coimolache, construction permits for pad expansion were granted in March, with fresh ore expected to be stacked starting August and a corresponding gold production increase anticipated in late October or early November.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Compañía de Minas Buenaventura First Quarter 2025 Earnings Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] And please note that this call is being recorded.
I would now like to introduce your host for today's call, Mr. Sebastian Valencia, Head of Investor Relations. Mr. Valencia, you may begin.
Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our first quarter 2025 results. Today's discussion will be led by Mr. Leandro Garcia, Chief Executive Officer. Also joining our call today and available for your questions are Mr. Daniel Dominguez, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Juan Carlos Ortiz, Vice President of Operations; Mr. Aldo Massa, Vice President of Business Development and Commercial; Mr. Alejandro Hermoza, Vice President of Sustainability; Mr. Renzo Macher, Vice President of Projects; Mr. Juan Carlos Salazar, Vice President of Geology and Exploration; and Mr. Roque Benavides, Chairman; and Mr. Raul Benavides, Director.
Before I hand the call over, let me first touch on a few items. On Buenaventura's website, you will find our press release that was posted yesterday after market close. Please note that today's remarks include forward-looking statements, and they are based on management's current views and assumptions. While management believes that these assumptions, expectations and projections are reasonable in view of the currently available information, you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. I encourage you to read the full disclosure concerning forward-looking statements within the earnings results press release issued in April 30, 2025.
Let me now turn the call to Mr. Leandro Garcia.
Thank you, Sebastian. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss the quarterly results of the company. On Slide 2 is our cautionary statement, important information that I encourage you to read. Today, we will be discussing our performance for the first quarter of 2025, highlighting key achievements and strategies moving forward. After the presentation, we will be available for a Q&A session, where our team will be happy to answer your questions.
Next slide, please. I would like to highlight a few key areas that contribute to our strong first quarter 2025 results. Our first quarter 2025 EBITDA from direct operations was $126 million compared to $95 million reported in the first quarter of 2024. This performance is also reflected in a higher EBITDA margin of 41% compared to 38% in the previous year. First quarter 2025 net income was $140 million compared to $61 million in net income for the first quarter of last year.
The year ended with a cash position of $648 million and a total debt of $862 million, resulting in a net leverage ratio of 0.46x. This debt level increased against the previous quarter as it includes Buenaventura 2032 notes. It also considers only the outstanding amount of our 2026 notes. The total CapEx for the quarter amounted to $36 million with $22 million allocated to the San Gabriel project. On April 23, 2025, Buenaventura received $49 million in dividends related to its stake in Cerro Verde.
In the first quarter of 2025, silver production reached 3.7 million ounces, 20% higher compared to the 3.1 million ounces produced during the same period of last year. Of this total, 2.2 million ounces came from Yumpag due to full-scale operation. Copper production decreased 21% year-over-year, primarily due to the remaining El Brocal open pit inventories, which were processed in the first quarter of 2024. And gold production was 27,980 (sic) [ 27,918 ] ounces compared to 36,593 ounces produced in the first quarter of 2024, primarily due to the decreased production at Tambomayo and Orcopampa, partially offset by increased production at La Zanja.
Finally, consolidated reserves have been updated as of the end of 2024. Gold reserves have increased by 482,000 ounces. Silver reserves have increased by 61 million ounces, and copper reserves have increased by 253,000 tonnes.
Moving on to our cost structure in Slide 4. The all-in sustaining cost for the first quarter of 2025 decreased by 83% compared to the same period in the previous year. It is important to highlight that the year-over-year decrease in all-in sustaining cost was primarily driven by lower commercial deductions and higher byproduct credits.
Moving on the cost applicable to sales trend. As you can see, copper cash cost applicable to sales increased year-over-year, mainly due to lower byproduct credit contributions at El Brocal. Silver cash has increased year-over-year but was consistent with the expectations for this quarter. Gold cash has increased year-over-year, primarily driven by lower volumes in grades at Tambomayo and Orcopampa.
On the next slide, we will present free cash flow generation. The first quarter 2025 cash position increased during the quarter, mainly driven by net cash inflows from financial activities. An additional $100 million was raised through the bond issued in February '25 and the remaining amount of the 2026 bond. In addition to these drivers, the EBITDA to free cash flow reconciliation reflects Buenaventura's significant CapEx investment related to San Gabriel.
Moving on to Slide 6. This slide shows San Gabriel's cumulative progress, reaching 79% overall completion by the first quarter 2025, primarily driven by finishing the engineering and procurement as well as the construction at 75% of advance. At March 2025, San Gabriel's total CapEx has reached $505 million. The guidance for the full year 2025 has been revised to the range of $220 million to $250 million. The construction time line remains on schedule. We anticipate commencing the ramp-up phase in the third quarter of 2025, followed by the production of the first gold bar in the fourth quarter of 2025. However, this milestone remains subject to the timely approval to the necessary permits.
On the next slide, we are showing the processing plant's progress that will operate at 3,000 tonnes per day. Currently, the primary crusher mechanical works are at 100%. The SAG and Ball mechanical works are at 98%. And finally, the CIL tanks mechanical works are at 97%. Moving on, we can see the progress of the main components of the plant.
Moving on to Slide 9. We are showing the progress at the filtered tailings plant that currently is at 74%.
To conclude the presentation, I would like to share a few final thoughts. San Gabriel continues to advance steadily with 79% overall progress and on track to produce its first gold bar in the fourth quarter of 2025. Yumpag is proving to be a key growth driver, delivering 2.3 million ounces of silver in the first quarter and generating a strong cash flow. We are also driving growth by increasing our gold, silver and copper reserves, led by the strength of our flagship operations.
And finally, our focused strategy remains unchanged. We are committed to our corporate guidelines, prioritizing reserve growth, EBITDA maximization and cost efficiency at our flagship mines and in our strong pipeline of projects.
Thank you for your attention. I will hand the call back to the operator to open the line for questions. Operator, please go ahead.
[Operator Instructions] Today's first question comes from Carlos De Alba with Morgan Stanley.
So on San Gabriel, maybe I'll group some together. So the CapEx increase in 2025, is this -- does this represent an increase on the overall CapEx of the project or just a shifting maybe from what you would expect to invest in 2026 and maybe you're investing it now in 2025? If you could clarify, that would be great. And given the CapEx that we're discussing now going up, what is the new expected return on this investment that you see as you get closer to completion? And what permits are pending that may prevent you from starting production this year? But assuming that you get those permits, what would be the range of production that you see for 2025 and maybe 2026 out of San Gabriel?
And my second question is if you could maybe give us a reminder of the exploration budget, the exploration expense that you spend to run through your P&L, both for operating units and nonoperating units in 2025. And if you can also comment on the general and administrative expenses. They came a little bit higher in the first quarter. How do you see that line also for the year as well as SG&A?
Thank you, Carlos, for your question. Regarding San Gabriel, it's the CapEx to be executed in 2025. There are some geotechnical and hydraulic issues that Renzo will explain to you further. In terms of the return, remember that this project was decided to go on with prices of $1,600. So it will maintain the same profitability for the company. In terms of the permits, we are referring to the construction authorization that -- sorry, the operation authorization that will be granted once we finish the construction. Renzo, I don't know if you want to -- yes.
Maybe, Leandro, can you remind us what exactly is the return on the profitability that you are seeing for San Gabriel? And just to clarify, what is now the total CapEx for the project that you see after the increase in 2025?
The total CapEx should be between $720 million and $750 million.
Okay. And the IRR of the project or the net present value of the project?
It's around 12%, 13%.
[Operator Instructions] I apologize.
Yes, there are a couple of questions, and the answer for -- from Renzo. And also, there are a couple of questions on exploration expenses and the G&A. We can begin with Renzo.
Yes. So in regards to the problems we have with geotech and hydrogeology as well as some excess inadequate material beyond our confidence level, those problems have been resolved. But we require some additional work in the form of slope reinforcement, additional layers of grouting in the water dam to find a place to temporarily place this excess inadequate inventory and add some excess quarry production to compensate. So all those things have been already done or are in the process of being completed.
And that was the -- where are we going to be spending all this money besides these excess works? We have like $45 million in finishing the electrical and mechanical and commissioning of the plant; the tailings storage facility, another $25 million; the mine development, another $35 million; and the power line, another $50 million. We are maintaining our committed date for the first gold bar in the fourth quarter at this point.
We can -- thank you, Renzo. We can continue with the exploration expenses and investment.
Yes, Leandro. This is Daniel. Thank you, Carlos, for your question. In terms of exploration, we can divide it in 2 kind of explorations. The first one is the explorations in the operating units. This is basically for infill drilling to convert the resources into reserves. The normalized amount for the quarters -- the next quarters is in the order of $10 million to $12 million. For the overall year 2025, we are in the order of $40 million to $45 million. In addition to this, we have the nonoperating areas of explorations, which will be in the order of $4 million to $5 million each quarter. For the entire 2025, we should be in the order of $20 million.
One of the most important activities here is the exploration in El Brocal within the areas of Unish and Bohorquez. Regarding the administrative expenses, yes, as you mentioned, it is -- they are a little bit higher than we were expecting. But this is basically due to the higher workers' participation that we are registering because of the higher profits that we report from our direct operations. The amount of administrative expenses for each quarter this year will be in the order of $15 million to $17 million. For the entire year, we expect around $60 million to $65 million.
[Operator Instructions] Our next question today comes from Tanya Jakusconek with Scotiabank.
Maybe, Daniel, I'm just going to finish off with you just on some of the forecasting. Can you remind me now what your capital expenditure is going to be for this year? Previously, we had $330 million to $355 million. I'm just wondering if that is still valid with this movement in the San Gabriel capital.
Tanya, we expect an increase in the CapEx. As Renzo mentioned, San Gabriel will add some additional CapEx for the construction of San Gabriel. We expect for this year in total around $400 million to $420 million. From this, we have already spent more than $80 million.
Okay. And maybe just so I understand the delta, I think it's come in $50 million more, San Gabriel, $50 million or thereabout more than we expected from the original budget of Q4. Can you just remind me that $50 million, what was the overrun?
Okay. So the overrun of it was based on this inadequate material and the hydrogeological underneath the water dam basically. So we have to move a lot more inadequate material to the new storage area. We need to do several additional layers of grouting. And obviously, this scrambled a little bit the coordination between the contractors. So we are in that process of accelerating certain activities to maintain the date of the first gold bar. That's kind of what was out of the scope.
Okay. So maybe just for myself to understand, when you talk about inadequate material, are you talking about waste rock?
No, no, no. I'm talking about like quarries, quarries that were supposed to have like good building material. We found some layers of inadequate material.
Okay. And so you have to move the facility to another place. Is that a correct understanding?
No, no, no. We need to remove all that inadequate material in order to reach the foundation level, and we need to expand our existing inadequate material deposit to hold these additional quantities.
Okay. And is this a water storage facility? I'm just trying to understand what's going to be placed on top of that.
No, no, no. This is where the filtration plant is. The water storage facility has a different issue. Yes. No, the water storage facility had some infiltration problems. So we -- initially, we expected to do kind of a couple of layers of grouting, but we ended up putting like 7 layers of grouting. That took some time, and we're going to be reinforcing the size of the water dam as well. At this point, the dam is kind of 35% of its total height so far. We already finished the rainy season. So we're starting to see some increased speed in that.
Okay. So it's 2 different things, the filtration plant and the water dam. Okay. Got it. Okay.
Yes.
Can I then ask what we are going to -- you talked a lot about the open -- what's happening on surface at San Gabriel. So I've talked a lot about the mill. Can we go to the underground? So where are we now on the underground with respect to, number one, the training of the underground miners? Number two, where are we with respect to stock development, i.e., getting them ready for production? And number three, where are we on the stockpile on surface? And are we still on target to be at that 300,000 tonnes by October? So just those 3 on San Gabriel.
Thank you. Maybe Juan Carlos can help us with the answers.
Sure, Leandro. Well, regarding training, we are hiring the new crews for Buenaventura in order to be ready by the end of July that we work our first delivery of equipment -- underground equipment. So Epiroc is going to deliver our first crew on a schedule, July, August, September and the last crew, the last fleet on October. So we have hired the first crew, and the second is on the process of being hired, and we are training them. We have the Tambomayo mine using these mining methods right now. So we are bringing the executive, the engineers, the supervisors to Tambomayo. They are being trained there in order to know all the details about the mining method under current field. So it's part of the process. We are on track of doing that.
Regarding the stock development, we are opening according to the plan, the galleries across the ore body. We have right now in the order of 60,000 tonnes of material ore on surface. So it's according to the plan. Right now, we have the contractor, [indiscernible], with 3 fleets on site with the capabilities on doing between 600 meters to 800 meters per month. It depends what kind of ground we need to cross each month. So we need to put like steel reinforcement, probably more close to the 600 meters per month. And if we have another month where we already can advance with shotcrete, probably closer to the 800 meters per month. So depending on the schedule of each month, we are in that range with the contractor. And in July, we will have our first crew of Buenaventura on site.
Okay. So it looks like everything is going to plan. And I know we talked about the ground conditions in your previous conference call that you were requiring concrete cement required. And obviously, reinforcement is little water, so you didn't have water underground. Are you still seeing similar ground conditions, nothing worse?
Yes. It's what's expected. It's what we call rock mass Category 4, this program. They need to be supported with steel arches. In some cases, we have a little bit better rock. It's called Category 3B. That can be developed only with shotcrete and bolts.
Okay. And then just my final question, if I can ask on Coimolache. I know we were expecting permits in Q1, so we could start construction in Q2 and resume fresh ore leaching in Q3. Do we know where we are on -- have we gotten the permits? And have we started construction?
Leandro, would you allow me?
Yes.
Yes. We were granted the construction permit in March. We had started construction in April. We are starting construction right now of the expansion of the pad, while at the same time, we are asking for stockpiling fresh ore on top of the existing stock on the existing pad. So we have 2 permits running in parallel, one for the lateral expansion of the pad and one for piling more ore on top of the existing one.
So we are according to the plan. We expect to pile fresh ore on top of the pad by August this year. So after we put the ore in there, probably you need to wait 60 days in order to allow the solution to came all the way down to the membrane and report to the extraction facility. So we start placing ore in August. Will be September, October, late October, early November that we will start seeing an increase in gold production in Coimolache.
Our next question today comes from Alex Hacking with Citi.
I just wanted to clarify on San Gabriel. I apologize. When you talk about the water dam, are you -- is that the TSF? Is that where the tailings are being deposited?
No. So water dam is where we're going to be storing fresh water to use in the plant. The tailings storage facility, it's a different component, and it's going to be dry stacking.
Okay. So I just want to clarify that. And so when you talk about the geotechnical and hydraulic issues, those are exclusively -- and the CapEx overrun, is it exclusively related to that water dam? Or there are other issues as well?
Yes. The water dam had some -- the infiltration that we found underneath the foundation was not according to the -- what our original study had. So we have to do a lot more of grouting, yes. We thought that 2 to 3 layers of grouting will be enough. We ended up with 7 layers of grouting. And we reached the infiltration rate -- the design infiltration rates. That's one problem.
The other problem, it's a quarry that was supposed to have enough material for filling. Didn't have enough material. It was inadequate material. So we need to move it to reach the foundation level of that quarry and then replace it with another quarry. So that causes some scrambling of the contract -- of the construction sequence that we are currently aligning again.
Okay. That's helpful. And then I guess the follow-up question, I guess, around the transition to operating yourself at Uchucchacua, Yumpag, Brocal. I guess any update on how that process is going?
Leandro, allow me to answer that part of the question.
Yes, sure.
Yes. We already signed the contract, the purchase order for Uchucchacua, Yumpag and Brocal to Sandvik. We have a schedule for bringing all the equipment on board. In the case of Uchucchacua and Yumpag, because our midsized equipment, they are going to be delivered earlier basically in the third and fourth quarter of this year. Only a small fraction of the equipment will be delivered early in 2026. We will replace all equipment. We will return any rental equipment that we have on the ground. So to give a more continuity of operations underground. We will have also full service of Sandvik on site from day 0.
In the case of El Brocal, most of the equipment will be delivered on 2026 because this is a very large-sized equipment, large loaders and large production drills. So most of the equipment will be delivered by early 2026, in the first and second quarter. Again, the strategy there is to save cost by doing the work by ourselves at a larger size. We have right now with the contractor loaders that are only 10 tonnes capacity. We are moving into different size of equipment, more close to between 14 for development, 14 tonnes loader for development and 17 tonnes for production to extract the ore from the stopes. So that's the reason we are doing that in El Brocal, and again, it's going to be with Sandvik with the same strategy, with full maintenance from day 0 on site.
Thank you. That concludes the question-and-answer session of today's conference call. I would now like to turn it back over to Leandro Garcia for closing remarks.
Thank you, operator. Before we conclude today's conference call, I would like to thank you for the time and effort dedicated to joining us. Your participation and input are greatly appreciated. Thank you very much, and have a wonderful day.
Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes Buenaventura's First Quarter 2025 Earnings Results Conference Call. We would like to thank you again for your participation. You may now disconnect.